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"Making Love the Way We Used to...Or Better"
interview with Laurie Ashner and Alan M. Altman MD
hosted by Sue Spataro, RN, BSN

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In this interview: Introduction | Libido | Altman interview | Ashner interview
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click here to find out more about SueYou have come a long way baby.
This can describe how sex is after age 35.
Today there is a fresh, new attitude about midlife sex.

Just a decade or two ago, people didn't think that folks over 35, even had sex. People were assumed to be just sitting around in their Lazy Boys watching Wheel of Fortune and drinking some herbal tea. Within the last 15 years sex at midlife has made it to the talk show circuit and countless of books are now available on jump starting anyone's sex life.

altman.jpg (5845 bytes)ashner.jpg (5815 bytes)Laurie Ashner and Dr. Alan Altman have worked together to write the complete guide to regaining the intimacy, love, and yes, the fun that you shared before hitting 35. Laurie, as an established health author and Dr. Altman a prominent gynecologist and expert on midlife sex, have written an in depth, easy to read, and most importantly, easy to use handbook.

Making Love The Way We Used To. Or Better explains the various ways both men and womens' bodies and lives change as we grow older. They illustrate how these natural changes can affect our sexual selves. Dr. Altman and Ms. Ashner cover ideas and ways to surmount these challenges and to gain a satisfying and loving sex life. Sex does not have to stop at 35.

Making Love The Way We Used To. Or Better is a hopeful and practical guide to help every couple enjoy a sex life that they both want and deserve.

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"Libido? Where did it go?"
Excerpted from Chapter 6: Making Love The Way We Used To. Or Better
Reprinted with permission of the author from "Making Love The Way We Used To. Or Better" ©2001 Alan Altman, MD and Laurie Ashner. May not be reproduced without the expressed written permission of the authors.

" My husband really thinks he's the cat's meow. When we had sex last night, he rolled over on his back after he finished, stared up at the ceiling, and said, "I am Spartacus!" I thought, I'm glad this is doing something for him, because it's not doing a damn thing for me. I just don't seem to want sex anymore. Where has my desire gone?"

"Mornings used to be very special for my wife and me. Now when I get up in the morning, I just don't have the same urge to have sex."

"He's fifty-five, new in my life, and a very exciting man. I really want to marry this guy. The problem is I think our sex life is great, but he keeps saying things like " I wish you had known me twenty years ago. " I don't understand. We make love, and I can't tell that anything is missing. He seems disappointed because he isn't what he used to be. What is it with him? What in the world does he want?"

" I just need more intensity these days than I ever needed before to be in the mood for sex. My wife gets upset about this and calls me the once-a-month man."

" Rich and I planned a weekend away from our kids, our phones, and my parents, who were driving me crazy. At the last minute my sister told me that she didn't mind taking our eight-year-old for the weekend but that her husband was giving her major grief about taking the baby for the weekend. I told Rich that we'd have to take the baby with us. He said, " You know if we take her and she sleeps in the same room, we aren't going to be able to make love. We'll wake her up." I almost laughed out loud. "Rich when was the last time you heard me scream in ecstasy?"

altman.jpg (5845 bytes)There are changes in midlife sex.
But what do the changes mean? If you've always had a healthy appetite for sex and suddenly you'd just as soon visit the dentist as make love, is something wrong in your relationship?

There's no question about it: twenty years of marriage can lead to familiarity and boredom, which can cause a lack of libido. But so can two years of marriage. They say that when sex is good, it's 20 percent of the marriage, but when it's bad, it's 80 percent.

And what if you're single and you've found "the right" person in midlife? Thousands of people do. You want to have the best sex ever. Can you turn back the hands of time? What if it feels like something is missing?

This chapter is about libido, or sex drive. Libido very simply, is the desire for sexual activity or fantasies of sexual activity. Libido is affected by many factors, including hormones, social and psychological factors, work, children, parents, and more.

In this chapter you'll learn:

  • How to quickly rule out physical factors, such as hormonal changes.
  • What to do if you've never gained back your libido following surgery or menopause.
  • How to know if it's depression or unexpressed anger that's undermining your sex drive or his.
  • What to do about bad sex in good relationships-why it happens, why you needn't accept it, and what you can do to revive your sex life.
  • How to talk to your partner in a way that will excite him about new possibilities rather than demoralize him with the problem.

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Interview with Dr. Altman

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I hear from hundreds of women every week who say that they just can't "get it together" in the bedroom. They're looking for "natural" ways to get their sex drive going in the right direction. What ideas could you give these women?

altman.jpg (5845 bytes)Dr. Altman
This is an important question, but first we need to look at how we define our terms. "Natural" can mean "exists in nature" and thus if you use something that is herbal or part of a plant that actually exists in nature, that might be natural. A second way to define it would be what naturally exists in our bodies. If the level of a woman's own natural hormone is low, then replacing it with the same hormone could be natural. Still a third way to think about natural would be lifestyle changes.

Next we have "get it together". Does this pertain to sexual desire/libido as an issue, or to arousal and orgasm problems? Let's begin with the "get it together" part first, and then look for "natural ways" to correct the problems. With respect to sexual desire or libido, which includes sexual fantasy, men and women differ in what drives this desire.

Men are different from women
Men are far more goal oriented; they have a goal of intercourse and orgasm. Women are more intimacy driven. Intimacy can lead to desire, which can then lead to arousal and orgasm. Desire or libido is a very separate concept from arousal and orgasm. Desire begins in the brain, the main sex organ in humans. It is central or cerebral. Arousal and orgasm are more peripheral or genital. Desire is a complex interaction of many external factors as well as internal hormones.

Many things can affect desire.
The kind of day you had, the kind of power struggle you're having with your partner, your parents pulling on you with their elder care needs. If you have children, the needs of your children that are constantly popping up; the problems and stress at work; general disease processes, can affect desire as well. Midlife is, after all, the taffy-pull of life.

Arousal and orgasm,
in contrast, has more to do with blood flow issues, more physiological. Our bodies have evolved to send blood where it's needed. That means that when you're eating, blood flow will increase to the gastrointestinal tract; when you're exercising blood flow increases to the muscles; when you're doing a puzzle, blood flow will increase to the brain. Engaging in sexual activity increases blood flow to the genital organs. Normally, as we age, blood flow tends to diminish to organs that depend on it. If it diminishes to the heart it can cause a heart attack; to the brain, a stroke; and finally, to the genitalia, decreased arousal in women, similar to erectile dysfunction in men.

The changes most frequently seen in arousal and orgasm were summed up by one of my patients;

"My orgasms are no longer the Rocky Mountains, now they're the Blue Ridge Mountains and it takes a lot longer to get to those mountains."

Translation; "It takes me longer to lubricate and become aroused, longer to achieve an orgasm, and the peak of that orgasm is lower in intensity.

If these changes are more dramatic, there can be total lack of desire and anorgasmia, an inability to achieve an orgasm when it could be achieved previously.

Natural Methods to Improve libido
What are the natural methods available to help improve desire or libido and to minimize the changes in arousal and orgasm? I'm going to treat "natural" as meaning non-drug and non-herb related. Natural to me is what you can do on your own, what you can do about your lifestyle. First, the things you can stop doing that might help.

Look in your medicine cabinet and see what you're taking. There are medications that can affect libido and desire as well as those that can affect arousal.

  • Antihistamines can cause vaginal dryness in some sensitive people.
  • Antidepressant medications can decrease desire, arousal and orgasm in many women as well as men.
  • The birth control pill can diminish free testosterone and thereby diminish desire/libido.
  • Even hormone replacement therapy can sometimes diminish libido by decreasing blood levels of testosterone.
  • Alcohol can have an affect.
  • Smoking can affect arousal and orgasm by diminishing blood flow to the genitalia, just as it might diminish blood flow to the brain or to the coronary arteries and cause serious problems.

There are also many positive changes you can make that will impact your sexuality.

  • The first is exercise.
    The medical literature has demonstrated that libido and mood can be improved by strength training. Both kinds of exercise, aerobic and strength training, are important. Aerobic is generally good for fat loss and endurance, while working out with weights or resistance machines, known as strength training, increases lean body mass, energy, metabolism, strength and body image, and decreases fatigue. These can result in a better mental and physical sex life.
  • Strength training
    naturally raises your testosterone levels. Don't expect to lose weight when you strength train because muscle tissue weighs more than fat tissue, but do expect to lose dress size.
  • Longer penis
    By the way, an interesting fact about weight loss in men; for every thirty pounds lost, they can gain almost an inch of penile length because of loss of fat in the fat pad at the base of the penis.
  • Lifestyle changes
    include drinking plenty of water during the day, which is good for your skin, your kidneys, bladder and also good for the vagina.
  • Vaginal Health
    Anything that promotes vaginal health is good for your sexual function, especially use it or lose it. This concept means the more your vagina is involved in some kind of sexual activity, the better the blood flow will be maintained to the tissues and keep the vagina healthy and functional. This can further translate into more responsive arousal and orgasm.
  • Avoid Irritants
    Vaginal health can also be maintained by avoiding irritants that can diminish the vagina's natural lubrication and oils. Harsh soaps, too frequent bubble baths if your vaginal tissues are sensitive, or frequent douching can be the cause of irritation. Be careful when shaving the pubic hair around the vagina to avoid injury or inflammation of the hair follicles.
  • Pelvic floor strenth and exercises
    With age, the muscles of the pelvic floor tend to lose some of their strength. Pelvic relaxation can affect the ability of the vaginal muscles to function during intercourse, which can affect the pleasure both you and your partner feel. Vaginal weights, small tear-shaped weights that are placed into the vagina, can help maintain pelvic muscle strength. These exercises can also help prevent and even treat urinary incontinence or loss, which can have a major impact on sexuality.
  • Making sex special
    How about actual sexual activity itself; what can you do to make it more special, to help increase arousal and organism?
  • Fill up your senses.
    Use all of your senses, touch, taste, smell, sight, and hearing during arousal and sexual activity, as well as with non-sexual contact with your lover. Touching and kissing is becoming a lost art. You can walk by your partner during the day and just let your hand rub by them or just gently touch them. You acknowledge that this person exists by touching them. Get back to the long sensual kiss, impassioned or gentle.
  • Smells and Aromas
    Using the sense of smell can have to do with the smells or aromas of candles or perfume during lovemaking but, more so, to do with the natural smells of lovemaking; the smells of each other's body; the musky odor of the vagina. The aromas of passion; stop and smell the roses. There is also much more to be said about these and the senses of taste, sight and hearing, but it would take up all the space here. This is covered in depth in Chapter 11 in the book.
  • Manual Stimulation
    Due to the natural decrease in blood flow during the arousal phase, the use of manual stimulation can become more important and may be necessary for a longer time to achieve complete arousal and orgasm in both men and women. Be patient with this, and understand it.
  • Communication
    The need to communicate about it is key. Communication about What I need is one of the most natural and important steps to getting it together sexually in the bedroom. I need for you to do this longer and more gently or more rapidly. Towards this end, the use of vibrators or other sex toys during foreplay or intercourse can improve or add a new dimension to your sex life. Some male partners may be threatened by it. I shouldn't need to have to stimulate you with a vibrator. The solution to this is all in the presentation. If you say I love when you make me feel this way and this can also help, why don't you try this, lets do this together, it can become a wonderful addition to lovemaking.
  • Romance
    Last, but not least, there's romance and passion. Put some romance back into your life. You may not be able to light the fire again, but you'll be able to gain sparkles that can rekindle some of this, whether it's a romantic weekend away or just a dinner that you set up by candlelight. Try sitting in a luxurious bubble bath and read to each other.
  • Read poetry or sensual stories.
    There is a book available that's actually waterproof called Aqua Erotica that you can read to each other in the bath and turn each other on. Make love in different places and/or different positions, or where you're not supposed to. Put the romance back into your life. Finally, when it comes to passion, you can't have passion in your lovemaking if you don't have passion in your life. If you haven't renewed your life, re-invented yourself, gotten away from the boredom of what you do regularly, whether it be your job, your relationships with friends, what you do for relaxation or excitement, now's the perfect time to do so.

FSH, Menopause & Symptoms

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We all know about what estrogen and progesterone does during peri menopause. But the hormone that is talked about the least but maybe just as important as far as causing symptoms of perimenopause and menopause is FSH or follicle stimulating hormone. Can you discuss how elevated FSH levels which accompany menopause and beyond can cause physical symptoms. For example like hot flashes?

altman.jpg (5845 bytes)Dr. Altman
FSH, or Follicle Stimulating Hormone
, is produced in the brain. Its function is to stimulate the ovaries to produce estrogen. As estrogen is produced, the production of FSH by the brain diminishes. This feedback mechanism means that when estrogen levels are high, FSH levels are low, and vice-versa. FSH itself does not cause hot flashes or other symptoms of perimenopause or menopause. It is a reflection of low estrogen levels. It is actually the withdrawal of estrogen, and the effects on the temperature control area of the brain of this withdrawal, that causes hot flashes. Some time ago, it was thought that elevated FSH levels had more to do with the actual symptoms, but this has not been shown to be the case. FSH, in fact, can cause more problems and confusion when blood levels of this hormone are drawn during perimenopause. The hallmark of the perimenopausal transition is the erratic production of estrogen by the ovaries. Sometimes it can be too much, sometimes it can be too little, sometimes it can be just right. Thus, these estrogen levels are totally unpredictable. Because of the erratic ovarian production of estrogen, there is also a fluctuation of FSH. What the FSH level is on Tuesday afternoon has nothing to do with what the level is on Thursday morning. Hence, there is neither prognostic nor therapeutic information that can be gained by taking an FSH level during perimenopause and only minimal information post menopausally.

The gold standard for perimenopausal therapy

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Today many women are using low dose birth control pills to help them manage the symptoms of perimenopause. Most of them I hear from are very happy with this route. Some though have found that the lower dose of a particular pill is too low while the higher dose is too high. I have heard from some women in perimenopause alternating every other day with one lowered pill and one higher pill, they report that they feel great. What do you think about this?

altman.jpg (5845 bytes)Dr. Altman
The gold standard for perimenopausal therapy, in women who are having problems severe enough to necessitate treatment, is the low dose birth control pill, specifically the 20 mcg birth control pill. The reason for this is that the birth control pill suppresses the ovaries, stopping the erratic production of estrogen and allowing the stable level of hormone in the pill to take over and alleviate symptoms. Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) is inappropriate during perimenopause simply because HRT is not strong enough to suppress the ovaries, which will continue to function erratically causing bleeding from the wandering estrogen levels and bleeding from the HRT as well. Occasionally, even though symptoms are greatly diminished on a low dose pill, they return during the pill-free interval due to estrogen withdrawal. This can be fixed by omitting the pill-free interval by just taking active pills all the time. As to the specific question of alternating low dose and slightly higher dose to tailor it better to the individual patient, I have no objection as long as both pills contain the same progestin, i.e. the same pill with different estrogen levels. I have not had a need to do this with a patient because of the vast array of birth control pill choices available, but if it was the only option that kept the patient comfortable, I might try it. I have done this postmenopausally, alternating two different doses of estrogen and testosterone to achieve a desired level, so I am familiar with the concept as it facilitates individualization of therapy.

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Interview with Laurie Ashner

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Today you can flip on the television set and find shows talking about everything- from court room battles to confessions about how a husband spent the life's saving on alcohol. yet, there seems to be no discussion about women's sexuality. Why do you think this is?

ashner.jpg (5815 bytes)Laurie:
The discussion on TV about women's sexuality always seems to center around major dysfunction. I guess that's what makes headlines. Or the media prints out its yearly assessment of how often "normal" couples have sex--so we can all feel terrible, because we're having too much or not enough! Making Love the Way We Used To...Or Better is about the more subtle stuff.

  • It doesn't necessarily make the morning news if you're so tired from raising your kids, and dealing with your aging parents, that you fake it when you make love to get it over with, so you can get back to your list of things to do.
  • Or that you and your husband feel more like roommates than lovers, although you still love each other deeply.
  • Or that you adore your partner, but he or she wasn't the best sexual partner you've ever had, and you miss your wild side and wonder if you can go the rest of your life without one more time that really shakes up everything in your world.

These are not exactly headline-breakers, but they can add up and be as devastating to one' s sex life as a major sexual problem. Dr. Altman and I tried to look at the little secrets people keep from each other in the bedroom, that can end up feeling like there's a huge elephant sitting at the end of the bed, that everyone sees but no one is talking about. When those secrets are aired, sex can become even more satisfying than it ever was.

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Women are very proactive about their health. But there seems to be a disconnect between "regular" health and sexual health. They just don't want to talk about it. How and why should they become more proactive about their sexual health?

ashner.jpg (5815 bytes)Laurie:
It doesn't always occur to women that their complaints in the bedroom, even boredom or lack of interest, can have a medical cause. And the last person we think to go to and discuss sex with is the gynecologist. I think sex matters, and it sex is unfulfilling, it is often a health problem as well as an emotional one. Sexual fitness means realizing that you have years and years in which you can experience pleasure. Why lose it? Why become numb to it? Why be fit everywhere else in your body, but sexually flabby--and I don't mean the organ, I mean the mindset, and the health set. Exercise, hormone replacement therapy, techniques that increase the fitness of the vagina--hey, why should that not be as crucial as fifty sit ups a day? Writing this book with such an understanding specialist convinced me of one thing--so many of us are feeling these feelings and not talking about them. You really can age-proof your sex life and have incredible joy ahead. You just have to learn how.

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